Talk:Politics of China

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Near-total lack of realpolitik in the article?

The main internal force shaping Chinese politics seem to be the clashes between Xi's faction (the Tsinghua clique) and Jiang's faction (the Shanghai clique), and to a lesser extent other group memberships: Tuanpai, princelings, etc. Generations of Chinese leadership is closely related. Has this information been moved to a subsidiary article, or is there some other reason it has been omitted?

This would be like US politics failing to mention the Republican and Democratic parties.

- CRGreathouse (t | c) 18:28, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

CRGreathouse, you make a good point. There's nothing of substance on factionalism in this article or in Chinese Communist Party, so that's clearly a gap that needs filling. There's a template for CCP factions but there is not a stand-alone article about the topic. The Account 2 may also find this of interest. Amigao (talk) 04:24, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for tagging me Amigao. I began adding information about the factions, will continue to add later. The main problem with writing about the factions is that due to the extreme lack of information on what is going on inside the Zhongnanhai, the observations about the factions are generally very conflicting and contradictory (i.e., one news will say this official is part of this faction, but another report will disagree). Additionally, it's harder to get reporting of factions under the Xi era due to his consolidation of power, and removal of the old factions, leading observers to focus more on Xi and less on other officials. The Account 2 (talk) 08:09, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Proposal For a Page Rework

This page is filled with bias, as well as not being clear in specifying the state of the internal politics of China. In the introduction, there is a clear focus on semantic issues, using the official one party state denomination as a clear demonstration of the authoritarian nature of their government, even though factionalism is deeply rooted in the party's system.

Although it is stated that the communist party is rooted in many of the country's institutions, this is never clarified with specifics, resorting to low quality reference bombing as a way of creating the illusion of thoroughly researched statements. China is a deeply bureaucratic state, and I believe an article about Chinese politics cannot attempt to separate itself either from internal factionalism or the bureaucratic hierarchy installed within.

There are many times chinese elections are discredited, giving way to a tyrannical view of the government, even though this is a much more complicated issue. It should be expected of an article all about chinese politics to actually explore the nuances of their electoral system, and how it plays into the wider bureaucracy, instead of focusing on social policies, which don't have as big of an impact on internal/external politics as the base system in itself.

Here is an example of a few interesting topics, and how they would apply to an article about the USA. How is the power balance between the three powers? In the US, the judicial has a slight advantage, due to a more broad constitution and their permanent titles. How do administrative regions work? The USA is divided into 50 states, each with their own executive, judicial and legislative administrations. How do elections work? In the USA, elections can be direct or indirect, with elections only for the legislative and executive branches, with judicial roles being appointed. What are the political factions in the USA? The factions are generally divided between liberals and conservatives, with a focus on social policies, the liberals are generally regarded as more progressive socially, and being found mostly on the democratic party, with the republicans representing the conservatives (this section could go even further on factionalism).

In an attempt to fearmonger, all profound analysis of real politics inside of china have been thrown to the sidelines, and Although I myself am not unbiased, I believe in Wikipedia's mission of neutrality, and this is a clear example of a violation of this. I wish for this talk page to be a place to discuss a more fundamental change in this and other articles, establishing some sort of standard for "politics of x" articles Nknka (talk) 04:25, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

@Nknka I just happened to read this article and came to the Talk page immediately after with the same concerns you laid out. The tone of this article as written is not Wikipedia's neutral voice. I don't know enough to help rework it, but I support doing so SmoothAmber (talk) 12:04, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

I agree with the overall sentiment. I favor a 'Politics of X' approach that focuses on concrete discussion of government mechanisms, political institutions, and other structures. I favor an approach that is more focused on 'nuts and bolts' and less focused on characterizations, which are a perennial source of disagreements.

I do not know how much specific feedback you will get on this Talk page. It is probably best to begin making some edits to make some of these suggestions more concrete. JArthur1984 (talk) 17:13, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

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